Logical proof of God's existence

Shredderbeam · #1 01-12-2007, 10:58 PM

1). God is a necessary being.

You are not a necessary being. The world will get along perfectly well without you. You can either exist, or not exist, and the world will continue on. God is not such a being, as will be explained a bit later.

2). God as so defined either exists or does not exist.

According to the definition provided by the first point, God either exists, or doesn't exist.

3). If God exists, he necessarily exists.

If God exists, he has to exist.

4). If God does not exist, he necessarily does not exist.

If God does not exist, he cannot exist.

5). The idea of God is not self-contradictory.

The idea of God has no contradictions in it. It is not impossible for God to exist.

6). God exists.

Since it is not impossible for God to exist, and since if God does not exist, he cannot exist, God exists.

Discuss.

EDIT 5/11/09

I have long since realized that this conclusion is not valid. It proves the existence of existence, not God.

#2 01-12-2007, 11:09 PM

God does not exist, end of story.

Dharok1337 · #3 01-12-2007, 11:16 PM

If god exists why is there bad people in the world? If god exists why doesn't he cure cancer? If he god exists why didn't he just make the world perfect?

He doesn't exist, its just some text..WHO wrote the holy bible? Some dipshit indians telling a story probably...

paintballove · #4 01-12-2007, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Dharok1337

If god exists why is there bad people in the world? If god exists why doesn't he cure cancer? If he god exists why didn't he just make the world perfect?

He doesn't exist, its just some text..WHO wrote the holy bible? Some dipshit indians telling a story probably...

Because most of man's problems are caused by themselves.

Wars, Cancer(Well That is disputable, being that some cancer is natural), pollution... etc...

God mourns with us in these times.

Floater · #5 02-12-2007, 12:05 AM

6). God exists.

Since it is not impossible for God to exist, and since if God does not exist, he cannot exist, God exists.

My head...

Shredderbeam · #6 02-12-2007, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by Taylor

God does not exist, end of story.

Arguments here must be backed up.

Originally Posted by Dharok1337

If god exists why is there bad people in the world? If god exists why doesn't he cure cancer? If he god exists why didn't he just make the world perfect?

Would you, then, wish to live in a world where absolutely everything is laid out for you, perfectly, with no unhappiness, challenges, etc.? I know I wouldn't.

Free will is the answer most people will give you.

Originally Posted by Dharok1337

He doesn't exist, its just some text..WHO wrote the holy bible? Some dipshit indians telling a story probably...

God and the Bible are not dependent on one another. You can believe in God without believing in the Bible.

Originally Posted by Taylor

6). God exists.

Since it is not impossible for God to exist, and since if God does not exist, he cannot exist, God exists.

My head...

All right, I'll try to explain a bit more.

- The concept of God is not logically impossible.

- If God exists, then he HAS TO exist, and it is impossible for God to not exist.

- If God does not exist, then it is impossible for God to exist.

- The idea of God is not impossible, so the last post is refuted. Therefore, God exists.

M.D. Alemi · #7 02-12-2007, 12:49 AM

God does exist and to dharok1337 this world is just a test in which god put forth challenges, hardships and barriers to test you. God knows what you will be, what you will become. your death your future he knows everything.

®ªgñå®øK · #8 02-12-2007, 03:02 AM

Why isn't there thousands of gods? Why is their only 1?

Floater · #9 02-12-2007, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by shredderbeam

All right, I'll try to explain a bit more.

- The concept of God is not logically impossible.

- If God exists, then he HAS TO exist, and it is impossible for God to not exist.

- If God does not exist, then it is impossible for God to exist.

- The idea of God is not impossible, so the last post is refuted. Therefore, God exists.

This is how I interpret this;

The concept of god being real is not impossible, which makes sense because theres no disproving that there actually is or isn't a god.

If he exists, then he exists, if anything exists they have to exist, so if they are in existence at the time it is impossible for them to not be in existence while they are existing.

If god doesn't exist then he doesn't.

The idea of their being a god is very possible because it's a reality, god is an idea until proven further. People need "something" or "someone" to make them think they have a point in life.

All of this in no way proves to me that god exists, in my head what you're saying is if someone exists they exist, if they don't they don't, people believe there is a god.

I still don't see how this thread at all proves god exists.

Shredderbeam · #10 02-12-2007, 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by Tyler

This is how I interpret this;

The concept of god being real is not impossible, which makes sense because theres no disproving that there actually is or isn't a god.

If he exists, then he exists, if anything exists they have to exist, so if they are in existence at the time it is impossible for them to not be in existence while they are existing.

If god doesn't exist then he doesn't.

The idea of their being a god is very possible because it's a reality, god is an idea until proven further. People need "something" or "someone" to make them think they have a point in life.

All of this in no way proves to me that god exists, in my head what you're saying is if someone exists they exist, if they don't they don't, people believe there is a god.

I still don't see how this thread at all proves god exists.

Actually, the major premise of the argument is as follows:

1). If God exists, then he HAS TO exist. It is impossible for him not to exist.

2). If God does not exist, then he CANNOT exist. It is impossible for him to exist.

3). The concept of God is not impossible, so #2 can be ruled out, leading us to the conclusion that God exists.